The interviewer says they had been skeptical of the reward-hacking account because they thought AI systems' chains of thought and actions could be monitored.

“in the process where he was like during the investigation itself and i mean i have like this pdf of like all these questions i'd brainstormed i was kind of skeptical of this whole reward hacking story i'm like come on i just feel like we're in such a i was like we were such a good position with regards to a potential ai conspiracy like we can just see their entire chains of thoughts and everything they do and we could monitor them and you know like they would have to get all these other instances to go in on this conspiracy with”