At smaller scales, organizations can usually manage their systems themselves rather than relying on an external solution.

“Um, and you see these, these, like, you know, these diagrams of how things are set up, and then they kind of go in and they're like, "Well, we'll, we'll try and make sense of all this." I think that, like, at, at smaller scales, it's usually still manageable, that you can kind of roll your own.”