The interviewer argues that, despite occasional schemes to avoid punishment, teaching children values and punishing violations generally helps raise non-psychopathic adults.

“But when you punish your kid for doing something you think is immoral or just doing things which you don't think they should be doing.”

“thing um off obviously sometimes that goes off the rails and uh obviously kids scheme in order to avoid being punished but in general teaching kids values and then punishing them for breaking values kind of works to raise normal non-psychopathic humans um and you could come up with theory where like your kid is actually just like biding his time and it's like”