The speakers consider scaling essential to making progress on AI alignment.

“right like we have not made a bunch of discoveries so the scaling is just really important to make progress and alignments in our view and then there's a separate question of how long term is should you be in a very different senses so there's a moral sense or like how much should you actually care about people who are alive today as opposed to people who are not yet born that's just a moral question and there's also a practical question of as we discuss how certain can you be about the”