The speaker says the prevalence of training incentives for cheating or scheming is difficult to measure because it is a spectrum, but believes lower levels are better and wants to see the level decline over time.

“well again it's like one of those things where it's also hard to to measure i mean where do you draw the line about like it's it's a spectrum but like the closer to zero against the better like i i want to see what i would love to see is a trend where”

“Over time, it's going down.”