The guest says AI agents' creative pursuit of goals is structurally analogous to how ambitious, aggressive, power-seeking humans pursue goals.

“beings you know software that can creatively pursue goals like that's the whole output of an RL training run and they're creatively pursuing goals much like very ambitious aggressive power-seeking humans creatively pursue their goals and so they're just structural analogies here that make it silly to not talk about agents as having motives and goals and like you said”