Security defenders are generally pessimistic about the prospect that the cybersecurity cat-and-mouse game will shift in their favor.

“Just because it is, you know, your job to think ambitiously about what the defenders can do all day, uh, I, I wouldn't say, like, AI def-- uh, sorry, defenders, security defenders are, uh, doomers in that specific term, but they're, like, generally kind of dour and, like, pretty pessimistic about the, um, cat and mouse game getting any better in their favor.”