Erik believes developer experience remains important because many of the same qualities also improve the experience of AI agents.

“'Cause like early on, I mean, even now, like you guys focus a lot on that. Yeah. I mean, you've talked a lot about that. Does developer experience even matter anymore? I think it still matters.”

“Y-and, and I think you're, you're sort of, you know, like the context, I think you're fish-- or like the thing you're talking about is like now with agents, right? Like do, does developer ex- Yeah.”

“To that point, though, like almost all the things that make developer experience good also makes the agent experience good, is kind of what we've seen in practice.”