Young children learn to lie but initially are not very good at lying.

“You know, when children grow up, you know, kids eventually,”

“you know, young kids, they figure out.”

“how to lie but they don't do a very good job”

“of it you know they lie but then you can kind of tell that they're lying and like okay but um and so well in the same way as these like ai models become and i don't want to over the anthropomorphize but like i think it's true that like as the ai's become like increasingly capable they will you know if they take deceptive actions it will be kind of obvious first and we'll be able to detect it um and like that's kind of the situation we're in now where yeah they were trying to do deceptive stuff we could actually see in their chain of thought”