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Requiring models to reason over their own reasoning may eliminate many gains that reasoning models achieve when applied directly to problems such as math benchmarks.

Jack Hopkins · ⚡️Factorio Learning Environment: the ultimate Game Agent Eval — Jack Hopkins · 27 Apr 2025

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“Asking the model to do reasoning over reasoning kind of eliminates a lot of the performance improvements you get from applying the reasoning models alone to problems like math frontier,”
“where there's a lot of benefit from just writing stuff down and figuring out what works.”
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