An attacker's initial system is generally not the most valuable target, because the crown jewels may be located elsewhere.

“That is if, if, if they got onto your system, how long would it take them to actually break out and pivot and move to a different system? Uh, generally, the system they first land on is not the most interesting.”

“It could be, but it's not the most interesting. The crown jewels might be somewhere else. So on aver- That used to be days and, you know, hours, and now it's minutes.”