The speaker suspects software creation may shift toward non-engineers using personal agents on phones to build applications.

“What I suspect we're moving more towards is like at the moment I'm trying to do some development just on my mobile phone, for example, and I'm quite comfortably able to do it.”

“But we're getting to a state where I can imagine you don't need to be an engineer. You, you have an idea, you say to your phone, your daughter, or whatever personal agent you have- Yeah...”