Erik doubts some claims about the Dunbar number but believes companies face an important culture-building transition around 150–200 employees.

“Like it, it's, it's-- there's like the Dunbar number which I think is like more sort of you know fake than, than anything, like at least like the story behind it. But like it is actually kinda real still.”

“Like there's something around like a hundred and fifty, two hundred where like laying the foundation of the culture is very, very important. How many people are you guys trying to hire over the next year?”