At the time of the conversation, paying for developer tools had become expected, whereas it had not been expected a year earlier.

“cursor or even windsurf but like we have pretty awesome product market fit with people who discover the coding and paid parts of work so the other thing is we're in an amazing market right now is the other thing i would say is like the um and this wasn't true a year ago but like now it's uh it's very expected to pay for developer tools and for the first time we have companies”