4 sources healthy · latest episode 9 Nov 2026
opinion claim

Joscha Bach says spatial cognition generally does not require an end-to-end trained system, and people nevertheless tend to regard systems that experience themselves as magical.

Unresolved speaker · Why Leibniz Couldn't Find the Mind Inside the Mill (Joscha Bach) · 2 Nov 2026

In their words

The transcript segments this claim was taken from

“But by and large, right, you don't need to have an end-to-end train system to do this. And if you have an end-to-end train system, you don't think there's any magic going on in there. Whereas people expect that a thing that experiences itself, experiencing is somehow magical.”
1:23:50Report a misattribution
0.85how strongly it was put, not whether it is true
0.70importance to the conversation
0.88confidence the claim was read correctly