AlphaEvolve and some other works used evolutionary-search or agent-swarm-like approaches about one or two years before the conversation.

“is what what like alpha evolved and some of these other works did uh like a year or two ago but i think what maybe is is not uh and i'm not sure if this is what you were alluding to but i think what's not super clear in open-endedness style search problems is do we frame all of them as basically like an unsolved very difficult problem or like where the objective is clear you”