The guest argues that a pleasingly compact and tractable view of the world and its most complicated problems contributes to misunderstandings of power.

“um or if my life had gone a bit differently I could see myself having you know been one of these people maybe that's wrong maybe I don't know myself correctly or don't understand exactly the appeal of this stuff but I feel like you know it's a pleasingly compact”

“and tractable view of what the world is and how its most complicated problems work,”

“which I would also argue is where a lot of the misunderstanding of power comes from.”