The speaker characterizes the selection of biological cocktails for converting skin cells into embryo-like cells as bio-driven and possibly akin to alchemy.

“And it's like a bit of, for me, still like a, a bio-driven, maybe even like an alchemy, what type of cocktails people come up with to then sort of maybe take, you know, skin cells and turn them into em-- into more or less embryo-like state cells, right?”